If this has been covered, please point me to the posts..thx.


I am about to bring home a CBR pup and I've been told that the puppy vaccinations should be administered separately ie, DA2P as one shot and then a week later give the parvo as a stand-alone shot.

Rationale: Clinical and sub-clinical studies have shown that combination vaccines that include Parvo (multi/combo shots) can cause cases of distemper and or encephalitis in CBRs.

It makes sense to me to break up the shot regimine if possible, however, I have not been able to find a vet in my area that offers the shots seperately.

Please advise.
Thx
Kevin

Hi Kevin,
You need to give the Lepto shot seperately. Ask you vet for a schedule on this for your new pup.
We give our Adult dogs Lepto in the spring and in the fall right before we start running trials.
Also , when giving Lepto, keep your eye on your pup for swelling. If they have an reaction to the shot, it will happen within the first hour.
Never heard of giving Parvo seperately...

Joyce

Joyce

Thank you Joyce, just trying to make sure there isn't new medical info in the way of puppy shots.

Kevin

My vet says you are unlikely to find a separate distemper and parvo vaccine and she has heard of no breed specific reaction problems. I say don’t worry about lightning striking and hope for the best. Good luck with the new puppy.

See what the pup's breeder recommends and check with your vet. I've always vaccinated my pups with the Fort Dodge DA2PL2P ( think that's it) and never had a problem....it includes Parvo and Lepto. I vaccinate at 6 weeks, 9 weeks & 12 weeks. I do my entire litter at 6 weeks using the combo shot and recommend my puppy buyers continue this regime. This what my vet does and what he recommends for breeders doing their own vaccinations.

I think you will find many different ways people do things with the vaccinations.

This is the schedule for vaccinating a puppy at our clinic.

6 weeks: DHPP (no lepto)
if starting the vaccines at 8 weeks then: DHPP (no lepto) use lepto if a vaccine was given at 6 weeks.
12 weeks: DHLPP
16 weeks: DHLPP & Rabies

Don't see any reason to seperate out the distemper and parvo. When you see a reaction it is usually from the lepto part of the vaccine so that is why the first shot we give doesn't contain lepto, we let the pup get a little older before we introduce lepto to reduce the chance of a reaction. You can buy a single distemper, parvo, lepto vaccination but don't think there is a singe hepititis or parainfluenza part of the vaccine. Don't know why you would want to split everything up seems unnecessary.

Like Kathy said everyone has there own schedule. Here is the 2006 AAHA canine vaccination guidelines. I couldn't find anything more current.

http://www.aahanet.org/PublicD...delines06Revised.pdf

Thank you everyone for your responses. As I suspected...more than one way to skin a cat

My breeder requires Distemper-Adenovirus Type 2 Parainfluenza in one dose, then Parvovirus as a stand alone shot (and hold off on the Lepto for as long as possible) to keep the health guarantee intact.

A little spendy as you have to buy 10+ doses (in bulk) from the drug companies.

Anyone got a lead on where I can find 4 doses of DA2P and 4 doses of Parvo??

thx again,
Kevin

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A little spendy as you have to buy 10+ doses (in bulk) from the drug companies.

Anyone got a lead on where I can find 4 doses of DA2P and 4 doses of Parvo??

As far as I know, the mail order veterinary supply places only sell the doses in packs of 25.

Most feed stores will sell the vaccine, but a big problem you can run into is how it's handled. As most vaccine's are modified live virus vaccines, they MUST be kept cold, and often times the supplies will come into the stores packed with ice packs, then are left to sit until the ice packs have melted and the vaccine is at room temp before it's put away. There is no guarantee this won't happen at the catalog places, but I always try to order from KV Vet supply, or Foster & Smith, who seems to be dependable, and I have the vaccine shipped overnight to my office with extra ice packs then put it in the fridge here at work as soon as it comes, and transport it home with the ice packs to insure it stays cold.

If you don't have a reliable source from which to purchase the vaccine, then suggest you have your veterinarian do the shots....it's cheap insurance, as parvo and lepto are on the rise and if you vaccinate with improperly handled vaccine, your pup could get very sick.

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Originally posted by Kevin Warzynski:

My breeder requires Distemper-Adenovirus Type 2 Parainfluenza in one dose, then Parvovirus as a stand alone shot (and hold off on the Lepto for as long as possible) to keep the health guarantee intact.

Kevin

I'm a little confused, does the breeder want them to be given at the same time just in different syringes or at seperate times? Seems like alot of messing around and chance taking. I think it will be hard to find single doses ordering them from someone other than your vet. I can't even order a single dose of Parvo at my clinic the only way I can order it is in a tank of 10 doses.

Is your breeder a vet? Can't believe she put the part in your health contract about being null and void if vaccines arn't done her way.

Lepto is transmissable to people also.

I've never heard or seen any problems like you say when given parvo in combination with distemper.

Kathy is right about being careful where and who you get your vaccines from they do need to be handled properly. Also the adenovirus needs to be the correct on (believe type 2) otherwise if the wrong one is given it can cause "collie" eye or also known as "blue" eye. Not something I would want to mess around with.

Good luck with your search,

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I'm a little confused, does the breeder want them to be given at the same time just in different syringes or at seperate times?

JoAnn, they want the shots staggered by one week.

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As far as I know, the mail order veterinary supply places only sell the doses in packs of 25.

That's right Kathy, packs of 25 Vanguard DA2MP (the closest I could find without Parvo) from Jeffers Pet for $84.


Is it time to go train yet??

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That's right Kathy, packs of 25 Vanguard DA2MP (the closest I could find without Parvo) from Jeffers Pet for $84.

Kevin, I wouldn't buy vaccine from Jeffers. I did once. I requested extra ice and paid for overnight FedEx shipping. The vaccine did not arrive the next day because of some kind of problem with the shipper. It ended up spending the night in FedEx's warehouse and was delivered late in the morning the next day. I made the FedEx guy wait while I opened the shipment. It was at room temperature as the ice pack (ONLY ONE....NOT THE EXTRA ONES i REQUESTED) had melted and it was only packed in a cardboord shipping box! So, I told him to take it back and called Jeffers to advise them I was not accepting it. They told me they don't have a refund policy on their vaccines, and I told them we'd see. I waited until I knew they had the vaccine back, and didn't get a credit on my credit card. I had a friend who worked for jeffers at the time and contacted him. He finally got me the credit, but it took months. I won't buy anything from Jeffers now because of it. If it had been a shipper caused problems, Jeffers could have gotten money back from FedEx, but it wasn't my problem, and they were unreasonable!! So, now I only buy vaccine's from KV Vet Supply or Foster & Smith.

Thanks for the heads up Kathy; sometimes I think these companies don't realize what "word of mouth" can do (good and bad). I will not be ordering from Jeffers.

Kevin

Dear Kevin,
Just noticed your post. The ACC health committee produced an article on vaccination protocols (see ACC Bulletin Mar/Apr 2007). Vaccinations cause a cellular reaction in the body, boosters given within 10 days will fail and you should wait 2 weeks between different vaccinations to avoid interfering with the immune response process. On the other end booster delays longer than 8 weeks also should be avoided, with the exception of rabies. The goal is to elicit an immune response and immune memory in the puppy's lymph system with the least amount of stress. Hope that helps with the timing.
Sincerely,
Lois Wida