"He was a gentleman and I could not see his feelings hurt by being stared at by throngs of people, many of whom would be beneath him both in breeding and behavior. " By Dr. George Brown said of his CBR in Retriever Gun Dogs...
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I went to the Maryland Antique Gun Show in Timonium, Maryland.... And while Drooling over Civil War Pistols,$24,000, I saw C. John Sullivan... He wrote a book called Waterfowling on the Chesapeake, 1819-1936.. IT is a Great Read if you are into Waterfowling History... He has a new Book being released in 2 weeks called; Chesapeake Bay Retrievers, Decoys and Long Guns..... After talking with him for about 1/2 hour he said he has lots of History on CBR's that has not been published... From what I get he has the breeding records from Carroll Island gun club that people thought were lost in the fire.And TONS of pictures... This guy is a history buff of Ducking in Baltimore county..... Sorry if this seems like spam.... Call the Havre de Grace Decoy Musueum to preorder 410-939-3739... I have feeling the book is going to be a must have for Chessy People........
"He was a gentleman and I could not see his feelings hurt by being stared at by throngs of people, many of whom would be beneath him both in breeding and behavior. " By Dr. George Brown said of his CBR in Retriever Gun Dogs...
Wow John that is too cool. Not only do I have the Chessie connection but also have the privilege of hunting Carroll Island. It is pretty neat to be out there on a place with such history for both duck hunting and CBRs.
John, Thanks for the great book suggestion! I just got my copy this morning and if the notes and records were lost in the fire as other authors have noted you wouldn't know it by what's found in this book! A Must Have Regards, Dave
"He was a gentleman and I could not see his feelings hurt by being stared at by throngs of people, many of whom would be beneath him both in breeding and behavior. " By Dr. George Brown said of his CBR in Retriever Gun Dogs...
If I have this right, the author knows the families that are descendents of the owners of the old blue blood Duck Clubs along the Gun Powder River..... He is a nice guy BTW...
I have adopted several rescue dogs to a family that lives on the mainland, just inside Carroll Island. Three generations of this family still live on their family farm there. A young son just married and moved out of his parents house and into the oldest house on the property. He has just adopted a young pup from us. He's a sincere young guy who has embraced his family's great pride in their family's involvement in the Gun Club and the island. When I recently visited them, they told me that their kin went over to help put the fire out. I'm going to try to get Jeffrey involved in this board. Perhaps he can share some of the history that has been passed down in his family. gina
Posts: 46 | Location: Mt. Rainier, Maryland | Registered: Sat October 11 2003
Gina what do you mean just inside Carroll Island. I know that area pretty well by water and land and have also hunted farms around there. If you dont mind what is thier last name? The Military pretty much ownes everything on the gunpoweder river and top of the Bay including Carroll Island, Grace Quarters, and Maxell point. All of these places were home to some big times hunting clubs. It is all part of A.P.G. Aberdeen Proving Ground.
They are on Saltpeter Creek and just above the power plant. From their farm, you look out onto the island. I'll touch base privately with the rest of the information.
Posts: 46 | Location: Mt. Rainier, Maryland | Registered: Sat October 11 2003
I just finished the book. It was an interesting read. There wasn’t a ton of Chessie info but some cool pictures and a cool story about a dog named Dan. Some breed historians may find some interesting info in the records but I didn’t glean a whole lot.
Overall the information was all very interesting. You can see how the breed became good markers and water dogs with some of the club patrons pass shooting high flying waterfowl over the “bar” with their 4 gauges. Maybe there were some other members cursing “sky blasters” under their breath.
Very cool to own a breed of dog developed in our country specifically to hunt waterfowl over decoys. It struck me reading some of the journal entries that while a lot has changed, a lot has stayed the same.
Definitely worth the 20 dollars.
Posts: 69 | Location: Rochester, New York | Registered: Thu December 07 2006
Has anyone had trouble getting this book from Barnes and Noble? I purchased 2 copies a couple of weeks ago and I keep getting notices that it's back ordered. This last time I got the notice from B&N they made me 'reregister' to stay on the back order list :-(.
Seems odd to me unless they figured it owuldn't become a "best-seller".
Originally posted by Kathy Miller: Has anyone had trouble getting this book from Barnes and Noble? I purchased 2 copies a couple of weeks ago and I keep getting notices that it's back ordered. This last time I got the notice from B&N they made me 'reregister' to stay on the back order list :-(.
Seems odd to me unless they figured it owuldn't become a "best-seller".
Kathy Miller
I think they underestimated the power of Team Chesapeake.
I just realized that in the book Latrobe commented in his stud book that a dog named Turk was immortalized in a painting retrieving a goose by an artist named Tracy. I thought I had seen that painting and when I checked it was said the painting was of Ch Barnum. Barnum was first bench champ in 1892; Turk reportedly died in the summer of 1890. Anyone have any history knowledge.
I was also thinking I had heard Turk’s name somewhere before. The ACC web site said “Duck” was a descendent of Turk reportedly a descendent of Canton. Duck was mentioned as being sent to the island, not bred there. Also according to the records in this book Turk’s parents were Jeannie and Dan. Dan was a stray. Jeannie was from Champ and Lady, Lady was from the pound. Maybe Champ was the connection to Canton?
Anyway just got me wondering, interesting food for thought. Maybe the ACC historians have their pencils sharpened and are working it out as I type.
Posts: 69 | Location: Rochester, New York | Registered: Thu December 07 2006
"He was a gentleman and I could not see his feelings hurt by being stared at by throngs of people, many of whom would be beneath him both in breeding and behavior. " By Dr. George Brown said of his CBR in Retriever Gun Dogs...
Originally posted by Kathy Miller: Has anyone had trouble getting this book from Barnes and Noble? I purchased 2 copies a couple of weeks ago and I keep getting notices that it's back ordered. This last time I got the notice from B&N they made me 'reregister' to stay on the back order list :-(.
Seems odd to me unless they figured it owuldn't become a "best-seller".
Kathy Miller
I am getting jerked around by B&N myself.... Called several times and just getting the "Well I am sorry Sir, they are still on the way"....... Who knows...
IMHO, if you weren't a serious waterfowler that appreciated the CBR and the breeds development you would find it dry tedious reading. But here is a couple teasers for those that are still waiting!
A description of the famous Carrol Island dog "Dan" "He really became a landmark on the Island. Great intelligence, great endurance, and, when thoroughly trained, no wind or ice stopped his pursuit of a duck; and he knew all the dodges for catching a crippled fowl. In the latter part of his life, he lost an ear in a battle--but was as good as ever....1888"
another pic caption read
"That noble and unique breed unrivalled in all the world as retrievers, known as the Carroll's Island dog," or in General Latrobe's words, "just a dog."
DaveB
PS The early Carroll Island decoys and 4ga. long gun pics included are really neat!
PSPS What struck me in reading through the Stud records was how many pups were lost in those early litters!
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Got mine yesterday from B&N. I find it interesting since I have driven all over the island. NO sign of the club house or other buildings. The mid-section of the longest 'bar' Carroll point is now gone. Now there is a small island off the main point. I have hunted most of the points and coves mentioned, just wish the waterfowl numbers were the same!
Originally posted by MDbowman: Got mine yesterday from B&N. I find it interesting since I have driven all over the island. NO sign of the club house or other buildings. The mid-section of the longest 'bar' Carroll point is now gone. Now there is a small island off the main point. I have hunted most of the points and coves mentioned, just wish the waterfowl numbers were the same!
I remember when I was a kid my dad always told me that was a submarine.
