I am a new member to this site. Old CBR fan we have had them over 20 years. Got into the HRC game for several years and have been a die hard goose hunter as have our CBRS. We had to put down our old buddy Griz in March, he had a tumor on his spleen that rupture 9 years is not enough time. He had a good last season 124 geese, 30 some ducks and one pheasant (a buddy forced my to slum and hunt pheasants). Anyway new pup now. He is showing signs of being one of the most memorable dogs (as they all are) that we have ever had. We are even trying the conformation shows for fun. He is doing well he needs one more major and 6 points to get his CH and he just turned 10 months old. I will finish his show jaunt this fall and then I will hit some hunt tests with him. Again just to have fun, I got waaay to serious on the HRC games years ago and now it is only fun. Not interested in getting into breeding or raising CBRS. There are some really fine dedicated breeders out there, keep up the good work, you are saving our breed. The dog shows will confirm that, holy buckets they ruined the labs, I was so dissapointed in what the show people have done to that breed. We as CBRS owners have a responsibilty to keep our dogs within the breed standard and keep in the field abilities in the breed. Anyway I am looking forward to participating in this forum.

One little note since I had to rebuild 10 dummies for my dummy launcher. I went to local store and got one of the large size foam water worms (long thick foam tube with a small hole running the length). I cut it into 8 inch segments and slide the dummy core (metal tube with washer) along with a small bit of Shoe Goop (good stuff) inside of the foam tube. They look weird but fly very well. They seem to be holding up very well and if they don't I will just replace the foam again. Just thought I would share and frugal repair on dummies..

Later

Jeff

That be a fine looker you got there Jeff ! What's his breeding ?


Welcome !

Kent

Ohh yes show labs look like something is wrong. No legs, pudgy. NO THANKS.........LOL

Thanks, I am biased but he is a classic Chessie.
He is a Tonka son (CH Chesabar Copper Mine) and Maddie (CH Quailridge Maritime Maddness) we got him from Kim and Dave Peckman, Spinnaker Ridge CBRS. IMHO Kim and Dave are doing an excellent job of breeding great dogs.

His hunting desire and drive are a super. I have trained at least 30 retrievers, CBRS and Labs (field) and a couple of noteworthy mixed breeds (for friends and practice dogs) when I was a training nut. Although I do believe that I have a lot more patience now that I did when I thought I was going to make a living out of dog training. He is by far the most trainable dog I have ever had, with the caveat that he his still a CBRS and does exhibit those qualities. He is still a Chessie and has that Chessie humor that we all appreciate.

Welcome to the forum. Good luck with your pup.

Nice lookin' dog...welcome to the forum....

you said two four letter words in one sentence....
show---labs.......what filth that comes from your mouth!

hehehehe......welcome anyways----Paul G.

Hi Jeff,

Welcome to the forum........Have fun with your pup........

Norene S.
Nordom Chesapeakes

Hi Jeff,
Welcome to the forum. Nice Avatar you have there. Good luck with your pup and like Norene said have fun with him, he wil only be young so long.

Great tip on the rebuilding of the dummies for the launcher.

They don't stay small for very long. We still have a hard time believing how fast he has grown. When we lost Griz in March of 07, I had been looking for a puppy for about 2 months before. We put in a deposit on Moose in April he wasn't whelped until August. Being empty nesters and Griz was the only kid at home we were lost. It was the only time in 25 years that our house didn't have a dog let alone a cbrs. We rescued a little springer spaniel that is great company...but not a Chessie...We got Moose in October. What a pup. Kim at Spinnakers did an awesome job of socializing him, he is fearless, outgoing and everybodies buddy.

Since I got him, the training bug is biting again, he has been a joy to work with. I have already ordered another male pup. I will NEVER be in a situation where I do not have a cbrs. In this forum you will understand, most people don't realize how loyal and how much a part of the family these dogs are...Anyway, nice to be around dog (cbrs) folks again.

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Originally posted by CBRKAIE:
Nice lookin' dog...welcome to the forum....

you said two four letter words in one sentence....
show---labs.......what filth that comes from your mouth!

hehehehe......welcome anyways----Paul G.

Paul thanks you got a nice look dog as well. For years I had heard what the show folk had done to the cockers, Irish Setters and Labs. I have had some very nice labs of my own and didn't pay much attention to the show labs. I went to my first dog show in June. I felt sick when I saw a whole passel of deformed labs. There was no way any of them could have hunted half a day or ran a hunt test.

We all need to be vigilant with the CBRS and support those breeders who do the right thing by improving their stock to breed standard, not to the flavor of the day. I have seen and owned way too big of cbrs dogs. I never would breed mine, he was too big (115 pounds and in condition), way past breed standard. I have seen Chessies that I wasn't sure it wasn't a chocolate lab cause their coats were thin and flat. Nice dogs, but I hope their owners neutered or spayed them and not bred the flat coat chessies. How about the ones that are built like greyhounds, spooky thoughts there, they are fast but are not Chessies like they are supposed to be. Some of the dog game people breeding out of standard and again to the flavor of the day for their game. Thank god for dual champions, (either FT or HT at least the abilities are proven) they will save the breed. I am going to try to get up to the ACC speciality in Kalispell this fall to see what kind of dogs are currently in the FT games.

Sorry got off on my soap box...thanks for the welcome

Jeff

Jeff, Welcome to the forum. It's good to have new cbr advocates, and it sounds like you have been one for a l-o-n-g time! Agree with your outlook on dog shows - I won't watch any. (My wife told me the Harrisburg show recently had a black lab that "won" the sporting group. She said it looked like a run in the woods would give it a heart attack and the only thing it could retreive is "fallen lunchmeat" from the
table. Didn't see the dog, but she's probally right). Moose looks great. Good luck with him.

Thanks

I get a kick out of your dog's photo, I believe from reading some posts he is a companion dog? correct? That is awesome, they care about their people, not a more loyal bred out there...

Jeff, welcome aboard. I am also a newbie. I have met some great people on here. They have some very informative threads and some very wise chessie people. Good luck with your pup. Greg

Welcome Jeff jump in the swamp and get your feet wet Thats a nice looking Peake you have there. I.m working with a young dog I got last Dec.26/07 boy has he put a new spring in my step, I have come to the conclusion Peake. pups will keep you young and on your toes all the time. Enjoy the journey with your pup.

Thanks, nothing like a Chessie puppy to get you going again, I agree.

Hi Jeff! It has taken me 13 years to get my first MH Chesapeake with several JH and SH along the way. Haveing used two pro's and leaving them due to thier not thinking Chesapeake. Rex Carr, I beleive said Your dog should be underwhelmed going into a test. I am overwhelmed when the dog I breed, trained, and handled in a test completes the test as trained to do so.
What is more fun than watching a CBR mature, advance in their training and accompolish what you want them to do.
Enjoy the ride. No goal is to high.

Clayton, thanks for the welcome and congratulations. Way to keep that goal in sight. Pros are good at what they do, but the bottom line is they are in it for the money, and if you are in it for the money, go labs, they will work for anyone. No offense to the few Chessie pros out there...you are a rare breed as well.

Chessies are unique and luckly not as popular, let's hope the world remains ignorant of all their qualities. I know for a fact I have talked a whole lot more people out of getting a Chessie than I have encouraged them to get one. Thinking back, I have bragged about them, shown them off, impressed people with them, and have told everyone, they are not for everybody and all you do is have to spend a little time with a bored Chessie, they are the kings of inventing fun...hard on hoses, yards, trees, small animals and slow children.....

Exactly on point, doing it yourself is very satisfying and what a bond you form with your dog. They love working for/with you.

Take care

Jeff

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Originally posted by MooseMT:
...How about the ones that are built like greyhounds, spooky thoughts there, they are fast but are not Chessies like they are supposed to be. Some of the dog game people breeding out of standard and again to the flavor of the day for their game. Thank god for dual champions, (either FT or HT at least the abilities are proven) they will save the breed...

Welcome aboard, Jeff.

The quote above caught my eye and made me wonder if you've seen Dyane Baldwin's illustrated "Historical Discussions" in the "Collections" section of CBRS4ME: http://www.cbrs4me.com/chesapeake/sindex/sindex.html?

The illustrations give the impression there have been more "greyhounds" than barges along the Chesapeake's historical course, even in the show ring. Which surprised me, as I grew up thinking the classic Chesapeake looked like a four-legged tug boat and was relieved to learn there were more athletic ones to be had. Thought Chessies with leg were a relatively new phenomenon, but apparently not.

And one needn't look hard to find an over-standard-weight Chesapeake CH, so we might want to be a little careful about knocking the Lab folks for a course our own breed may well be on.

Just sayin'...

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Rick

You are correct, all breeds CBRS included have morhped sometimes close to the breed standard or into the popular (at the time) interpretation of the breed standard. Like I said we should be very aware whenever we breed that we are trying to achieve and stay within the breed standard. A sturdy athletic dog is correct, not something that could pass for a newfoundland or whippet...

I have seen nationally ranked CH CBRS that personally I would neuter if it was me. Shocking as it may seem, some breeders/dog handlers will attend shows/HT that certain judges will be at because they like "their type of Chessie". What the heck is wrong with that!!! You are now breeding to a personal judges likes and dislikes not the breed standard.

It is not a perfect world so We do need to be vigilant with our breed. We don't want two types of CBRS (field and show), we want our CBRS to be all they should be and be honest with ourselves and choice of breeding stock.

As far as I am concerned if you own a intact CBRS you should be following this guideline... if it shows it should hunt, if it hunts it could be shown, if it doesn't don't breed it..(hunt or trial are synonymous).

If it is a pet you should love it, neuter it or rescue it...sorry if it isn't proven stock, do the breed a favor and don't breed. Rescue...

Since I have been around dogs all my life and around for 1/2 a century, I have bred one litter of puppies by mistake, the kids let our Golden Bitch outside unsupervised. She was a very nice seasoned bitch. I gave her and the puppies to a buddy. He loved and hunted her for 12 years. He got her spayed and all the puppies good homes. That was 25 years ago.

Off the soap box.

It is a good article.

By the way, my great grandfather was a waterfowl guide around the turn of the century in NE Colorado, he used a Big old nasty tempered Chessie and a brand new Remington Model 11 (he got it the first year they came out 1905)? I now have that shotgun and the love of the Chessie and some opinions....

Anyway have a good one.

Jeff

In all candor, I believe the current market should determine the breed's direction, not a group of folks decades gone. I'm fine with show or pet folks breeding for whatever floats their boats, and hope enough others will be breeding serious gun dogs that suit my, sometimes changing, fancy to provide me with what I'm looking for.

I've not believed for a moment that popularity has ever ruined a breed for any purpose. To the contrary, only lack of popularity for that purpose has ever seen it bred out of a dog.

Not that I'm anti-dual, or don't think it a fine thing that some strive for it. Just don't see it as The One True Path.

Rick

You are not the only person with that opinion.

I may not be right either but I have stood alone before.

I can't argue with your logic, market what the people want, two breds of Goldens, labs and perhaps CBRS. Why have a breed standard, we could change it again, bred some labs to point...OMG they were always pointers...my flushing labs must been rejects...

If bred standards change why have them, call all brown dogs CBRS....other people do it...

Have a good one

Jeff